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Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

by Robert Arber -
Number of replies: 4

Hello,

First, I would like to say hello to everyone, I'm new to this forum so I appologize ahead if my question is inappropriate here, I'm sure advice (most welcome), will fix.

Lily de Silver's-Pali Primer-Lesson 4- is discussing the 'ablative case', I do not understand what this is?

Below is a couple of definitions I've researched: 

ablative case

English

Etymology

From French ablatif, from Latin ablativus, from ablatus (“carried away”), past participle of auferre (“to carry away", "to remove”). See ablation.

 Noun

ablative case (plural ablative cases)

(grammar): case used in some languages to indicate movement away from something, removal, separation, source. It corresponds roughly to the English prepositions "from", "away from", and "concerning".

 

In linguistics, ablative case (abbreviated abl) is a name given to cases in various languages whose common characteristic is that they mark motion away from something, though the details in each language may differ. The name "ablative" derives from the Latin ablatus, the (irregular) perfect passive participle of auferre "to carry away".

Would you please enlighten me as to what lesson 4 is getting at, thank you.

Bob

 

In reply to Robert Arber

Re: Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

by Subash Khanijow -
Bob,
Ablative Case:=From
eg: nara=man
narā,naramhā,marasmā=ablative case: from the man

Subash
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Re: Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

by Robert Arber -

"Ablative Case:=From
eg: nara=man
narā,naramhā,marasmā=ablative case: from the man"

Subash

Is it always from in Pali, i.e., my Oxford Dict. has it as :

Ablative case - Grammar: denoting a case indicating an agent, instrument, or source, expressed by - 'by', 'with', or 'from'.

While working through Lily de Silver - Pali Primer, I'm finding I need a more in-depth pali grammar than de Silver covers. Does anyone use for instance Charles Duroiselle, or A.K. Warder's Pali Texts as Grammar References or are they too advanced at this stage? Thank You,

and, Subash, thank you.

Bob

In reply to Robert Arber

Re: Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

by Subash Khanijow -
Bob,
The
By case in Pāli is expressed by- Instrumental Case
eg: narena- by the man

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Re: Pali Primer-Lily de Silver-Lesson 4- Ablative Case

by Robert Arber -

Hi Subash

Thank you again you've given me lots to think about!

bob